Fertilizer Prescriptions

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Wondering if any of you guys create your own fert prescriptions for your operation?

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Yes for starter fertilizer, I use the program JD  Apex.  I think it is absolutele now! Lol I used it since 2011.

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Yes I have for quite a few years, have GPS yield and moisture data back to 1996.  I used JD office (now Apex) at first and used "normalized" yield maps to create variable rate prescription maps and then used the same map for variable rate fertilizer application through our strip tiller and air cart.  It only worked ok and was hard, JD software never good at working with others. But now I have used SMS basic software for 15 years and love it, talks to all brands!!!  I am able to create variable rate maps for my striptilling using soils maps, yield maps and grid samples taken. I am able to make prescriptions for topdressing urea and give to custom applicator.  It works very well, I think if you  spend the money and by SMS pro it is even easier.  RTK is a must for strip till, variable rate fertilizer in the fall, and variable rate planting in the spring!

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Try Swat maps ,I would say they have got a pretty good Platform for variable rate!

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I'd say yes. We've been doing variable rate and zoning mapping for about 7 years now. Started with JD Apex, was pretty crude but it work and now have everything moved in to the JD operation center which work very well. Every aspect has to be used when building maps. We can overlay every years harvest data to put a good average together on helping build zones, but I would have to agree with another...

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Verified FBN Member (ND)

4 years ago

$10.00 per acre the first year is steep. But I think it's in the ball park. First year is the biggest investment and the hardest work. Starting from scratch and inputting so much information. Lot's of time for the agronomist. $3.40 for the the years to follow doesn't sound bad at all. It's been probably 6 years since I got a quote from an agronomy center and I want to say it was around 5-6 per acr...

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Verified FBN Member (AB, CAN)

4 years ago

*** Swat maps charges around $10/acre for the first year and around $3.40 /acre in the second and however many years you stick with them....do you think thats reasonable ?

Verified FBN Member (ND)

4 years ago

Since I basically build all the maps, there not too much of a charge there. I do have to pay for the soil testing and having everything analysed usually around 25.00/field. I also do a $900.00 yearly subscription with RDO Equipment JD for Precision Ag help. So if I've got a question on anything, they are right there to assist. In the grand scheme of things it's pretty cheap. I don't charge for my ...

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Verified FBN Member (AB, CAN)

4 years ago

What would you say is a fair price for that service

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Yes.  We use ArcGIS Pro software.  It is the most affordable solution on a per acre basis and gives you a ton of flexibility in writing your own prescriptions.

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I use Agleader SMS to make variable rate fertilizer and planting maps along with all our data management. It works good once you know what your doing but if I was doing a lot of it there are other programs I would use. There is a learning curve but Agleader has a lot of good training on their site and puts on classes across the country which I have taken several of. I have kept all our planting...

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If your using harvest data as input data make sure you proof it.  I have certain years that I have excluded because I know they are not good examples of a normal year either a drought, hail, cattle damage, a bad variety, etc..  Also make sure your combines are calibrated well or the yield data is worthless.  I will combine the years of good data to make my maps along with soil sampling.  Planting maps I make off the variable rate fertilizer map.  There are a lot of option of what you can use for input data though, soil type maps, grid sampling, LIDAR elevation maps, MZB soil maps.

The other big thing I've learned is know the equipment that will be applying it.  We originally hired maps made and out of 3 services that did it for us 2 of them caused lots of issues.  If the zones have hard edges were a rate changes a lot going into the next zone we had a lot of issues.  The NH3 applicator couldn't adjust that fast, also a JD air cart can't spin the meter adjustment fast enough being its a gear box system.  The way around this is instead of 3 or 4 rates in the field do more and make them inbetween so your edges are more feathered.  The downfall to this is some monitors have a limitation as to how many polygons they can support.  Also know what the max and min your machine is capable of on each product.  When we used a JD air cart our meter for Potash had a bottom range of about 25lbs per acre so that was my min.  Some machines are far more forgiving then others.  PWM controlled hydraulic drives on dry meter systems are very forgiving from my experience.

The other thing we learned is on our soil type and location variable rate can hurt us.  We have a decent amount of elevation soil type change along with the fact that we are not drained.  It bit us twice on what we thought was going to be a dry year.  After everything was planted and up the weather changed on us and we got wet.  Our hills all the sudden became the areas we should have pushed fertilizer and population to and our low areas drowned out.  If you have a way to go in and supplement ferilizer it will help but you still dont have as much potential because of the population.

My last thought and something that was drummed into me from one of the classes I took was proof everything.  There is a lot of science involved in mapping but it is also part art and needs to be proofed by the farmer that knows the land.  Make sure it makes sense you know the land.

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Yes! Actually I've been gathering data on such for the last 25 years. Just this week I organized it all. I've gained this data from magazine and newspaper articles as well as farm supplier meetings. Several reccomendations have changed over the years, especially for K. Hope this helps. Soil Test Analysis Things to consider: One acre of soil 6” deep weighs about two million pounds Pounds per acre on a 6” deep soil test = ppm X 2 Soil has a negative charge MAP 11-52-0 has a pH of 4.5 DAP 18-46-0 has a pH of 7.5 and should not be used in soils with a pH of = or > 7.5 Urea 46-0-0 is less effective in dry years 28% weighs 10.67 pounds 32% weighs 11.06 pounds 6-24-6 weighs 11.1 pounds 10-34-0 weighs 11.2-11.8 pounds The most leachable nutrients (in order): Nitrate, Sulfate, Boron, Chloride, Salt These are nutrients to best manage The least leachable nutrients (in order): Phosphorus, Zink (?), Copper, Potassium These are nutrients that could be “banked” N,P,&K are all more than twice as effective if properly banded Nutrients needed for: (given as grain + plant material above ground = total) (from IPNI) 250 bushel Corn 100 bushel beans Nitrogen 167.50+112.50= 280.00 325.00+110.00=435.00 Phosphate 87.50+ 40.00= 127.50 73.00+ 24.00= 97.00 Potassium(K2O) 62.50+275.00= 337.50 120.00+100.00=220.00 Magnesium 8.33+ 51.25= 59.58 15.00+ 35.00= 50.00 Calcium 3.38+ 32.50= 35.88 15.00+ 80.00= 95.00 Sulfur 20.00+ 17.50= 37.50 18.00+ 80.00= 35.00 Zink .27+ .38= .64 .10+ .52= .62 Manganese .18+ 1.88= 2.06 .12+ .88= 1.00 Iron .38+ .63= 1.01 1.00+ 2.00= 3.00 Copper .12+ .06= .18 .10+ .05= .15 Boron .60+ .06= .66 .12+ .58= .70 1. SOIL pH Ideally 6.3-6.8 for corn & soybeans (6.4 per Pat) Acidity – higher amounts of hydrogen ions Alkalinity – higher amounts of hydroxide ions Lowering pH can be done by: adding tile plant crops with lots of roots, healthy plants release organic acids add manure add biologicals use cover crops – reduce tillage use AMS, especially elemental sulfur Raising pH can be done by: adding calcitic lime if Mg is ok adding dolomitic lime if Mg is low *smaller lime particles enhance availability greatly *too much lime ties up micronutrients *test lime source for heavy metals 2. Cation Exchange Capacity CEC X 10 = The capacity of soil to hold N (in pounds) 3. Organic Matter for each 1% the soil can hold about 4% more water raising O.M. can be done by: plant crops with lots of roots add manure add biologicals use cover crops – reduce tillage Each 1% of O.M. will release about: N 20 – 30 pounds when warm, otherwise figure 4 – 7 pounds P 4 – 7 pounds S 2 – 3 pounds 4. Base Saturation It is the balance of five major positively charged elements in %. Ideally in the following ranges Na <1 Higher Na raises pH Na should be = or <.5% (per Pat) Tile is the best method to reduce Na If test show high Ca and some lime try adding elemental sulfur If test show no lime try adding gypsum If test show low Ca and no lime try adding both elemental sulfur and lime H 2-10 Add lime (calcium carbonate) to lower H Ca 65-80 Ca below 60% will reduce N, P, Zn, Fe, Mn, and Cu up take Adding Ca will loosen soil (i.e. Ca to Mg of 7:1) Higher Ca will give heavier test weight and quicker dry down Adding lime will raise Ca Ca should be >70% (per Pat) Ca should be at least 25 times greater than Mg Mg 12-20 (10-15% as per Pat) Mg over 20% likely needs tile Higher Mg raises pH Adding Ca and S (if needed) will lower Mg Mg should be <13% (per Pat) Mg is needed for photosynthesis and protein formation K 4-8 (7-10 per Pat) K should be kept less than half of Mg 5. Nitrogen Given as Nitrate on soil test Adding N will change pH, do not soil test after adding N Organic Matter X 20 could be added to show Total N available Following a dry year residual N is much higher, perhaps use 2’ deep soil test Adding more than 155 pounds of N is a waste! (As per U of M in 3 S MN plots) Nitrate (available) is leachable. Ammonium (most available) is not. nitrification inhibitors don’t last long when soil temperatures are above 60 degrees Any minor incorporation or rain does a lot to stabilize N Anhydrous is available in about 3 – 8 weeks UAN is available in about 25%ammonium-0 weeks,25% nitrate- 1-2 weeks,50% urea-1.5-3 weeks Urea is available in about 1.5 – 3 weeks, using urea in high pH soil results in higher N loss Ammonium Sulfate (10-34-0, MAP, DAP) is available in about 1-2 weeks Ammonium nitrate is available in about 50% 0 weeks, 50% 1-2 weeks N deficiencies show up as leaf yellowing at the tip & goes down the mid rib, bottom leaves first Soybeans can produce a maximum of about 260 pounds of N, high bean yields need more 6. Phosphorus (two test methods) – Potash - Potassium Use P1 if pH is under 7. P1 is available P now. P2 is the total P available possibly by year end Use Olsen if pH is over 7 Take this number X 2.3 (2?), then add Organic Matter X 4 to show Total P available Soil tilth helps P availability Much of the total P is unavailable because it is fixed to Fe, Al, and Ca P is consumed in the breakdown of O.M. If P1 is over 20 ppm crop response is minimal P is needed for photosynthesis P deficiencies show up as purple leaves, this symptom is usually temporary Too much P limits Zn and Cu uptake If pH is over 7.5 P availability is governed by calcium If pH is under 5.5 P is governed by iron and aluminum Without erosion P does not move in soil 7. Potassium K helps with good stalks, photosynthesis, disease resistance, sugar (flavor) & starch production K helps transport water, nutrients, and sugars within the plant To calculate how much K to apply (current ppm X % goal (7) / current % - current ppm) X 2 = actual K. Potash is 50% K (don’t use the 60% K2O), so then double the calculated actual K amount Higher CEC requires higher K amounts Only about 50 pounds of K leave a corn field in grain. It takes near 300 Pounds to grow it though – it is the highest amount of nutrient needed in corn. I bet your under applying this important nutrient (Per Pat). Check your early July tissue samples! If pH is far from 7.0, split applications of K may be beneficial If pH is over 7.5 proper K levels are more important K deficiencies show up as yellowing on the outer edges of leaves If K and Na add up to>10% it could cause germination issues If K test show 200 ppm crop response is minimal K shortage increases aphid reproduction Adding K when over 200 ppm will likely not add more yield 8. Sulfur Ideally between 20 – 80 ppm Organic Matter X 2 could be added to show Total S available Sulfur = Sulfate/3 Converting sulfur to sulfate requires warm temperatures Sulfate is the form plants actually use P levels over 90 ppm ties up plant uptake Sulfate is an anion and is quite leachable, (elemental) sulfur is not leachable Adding S may slow N release Higher S lowers pH To lower pH try adding 15# S for every .1 pH desired change, retest in 3 years, use 2.5 acre grids S applications are more likely to pay off in lighter soils low in O.M.. S is an important part of building proteins S is not mobile in plants S deficiencies show up as stunting and shortened internodes Don’t apply S in the fall if you have low CEC, use elemental sulfur + sulfate in the spring If pH is over 7.5, S becomes more important *Micronutrients use DPTA test rather than the Mehlich 3 test Micronutrients in order of importance: Zink, Manganese, and Boron (as per Pat) 9. Zink Should be 1.8 – 3.5 ppm If P1/10 is higher use this instead for Total Zn available Zn is important for germination, plant vigor, starch production, protein synthesis, root development, growth hormones, enzyme systems, flower formation and frost protection Microbial life love Zn, N, and carbon Higher responses if P is high (more than 10 X Zn to P) Without erosion Zn does not move in soil Zn deficiencies are more likely in high P or high pH conditions 10. Manganese Should be 20 – 40 ppm If pH is under 6.7 available Mn is higher Mn is most available in the sulfate form, chelated ok, oxide worst Mn shortages are often related to Ca, Mg, and Fe Mn helps stalk strength, aids chlorophyll and pollen production, photo synthesis, nitrate assimilation, iron metabolism, and adds kernel weight Mn reduces white mold, lodging and disease Mn is not mobile in the plant Mn deficiencies show up as lighter strips running the entire length of a corn leaf, veins are dark Mn is not very available in cold soil In high O.M. soils foliar treatments may be more effective than soil applied. One pound actual Mn in 30 gallon of water can be effective, in severe shortages use 1.5-2 # Do not use chelated Mn for foliar treatments, Manganese sulfate is preferred Wait at least 2 days (7-8 preferably days) after any glyphosate applications to apply Mn Deficiencies show up as yellowing between the veins on new leaves of bean plants Mn ppm should be lower than Fe ppm Lime can reduce Mn uptake 11. Iron Should be 20 – 40 ppm Fe helps with respiration, photosynthesis, enzyme systems, energy transfer Fe shortages are related to high pH, Cu, Mn, P, as well as cold temperatures Excess Ca will limit Fe, especially when pH is >7.7 Excess liming will limit Fe 12. Copper Should be 1.4 – 2.0 ppm (2 is best per Pat) Cu helps stalk strength, enzyme systems, photosynthesis, nitrogen metabolism, test weight, diseases, and reduces lodging 13. Boron Should be 1.2 – 3.0 B is important for moving sugars, starch, and hormones within plants B is important for cell structure, protein formation, pollination, seed production, N, P, & K metabolism, pod retention, and developing flowers and pods B helps corn ear tip fill, if you have adequate K and don’t have good tip fill, it’s likely a B shortage Annual B applications are needed because leaching loss generally exceeds crop removal Too much K and Ca reduce B uptake Placing B directly on seed is risky B deficiencies are common in low O.M. soils B is not mobile in plants Typical applications range .5 – 1.5 pounds per acre Typical foliar applications range .1-.3 pounds per acre 14. Cobalt Typically Co is deficient in low CEC soils Co is important for coleoptile, bud, flower and stem growth Co helps CO2 absorption, frost protection, and plant vigor 15. Molybdenum Mo is essential for converting nitrate into amino acids Mo is important for converting P, protein synthesis, enzyme systems, N metabolism Mo is mobile in plants, both the xylem and the phloem P applications may increase Mo levels in plants Low pH has major effects on Mo deficiencies Excess sulfate, Fe, and aluminum oxides may decrease Mo levels in plants Mo is leachable 16. Selenium Se can act as a PGR Se protects against pathogens in plants Se at higher levels is toxic to plants 17. Chloride Cl by itself is not toxic Cl is essential for photosynthesis, water efficiency, sugar translocation, and disease suppression Cl helps reduce lodging Potash is 45% Cl Soluble salts (do not confuse this with Na in base saturation) If you have high saline soil add tile Or if test show >75% Ca and low S use elemental sulfur Or if test show <75% Ca and low S use gypsum Gypsum is calcium sulfate, it has a neutral pH and about 22% Ca and 17% S) AMS is acidic Generally Sulfur and micro nutrients (other than B, Mo, & Mn) are not mobile in plants. Deficiencies show up at the top of plant. N, P, and K are mobile in the plant. Deficiencies show up at the bottom of plant. There are five major hormone groups in plants: auxins, gibberellins, cytokinin, ethylene, and abscisic

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Fertilizer Prescriptions