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Red vs Green combines??

I’m considering updating my combines. I run s670 and s680 now. Our case dealership has been pushing to get an 8250 on the farm. What’s everyone thoughts on red vs green combines and the price difference between them?

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Demo the new Gleaner

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Gleaners suck. No capacity. Stay red or green

Verified FBN Member (MO)

Gleaners are a pain in the ass, simple, but parts are a pain. Trying to get to a green combine on our farm

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I know there’s a lot of brand loyalty out there. And people love to debate which color is better. I have owned both red and green. Currently...

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Where can you have lower JD repairs. There at 160 an hour here there isn't one JD guy who come away from JD without a combine inspection le...

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Wow **** who is your dealer leading edge is ours and the service is very good there, parts inventory is a different story on prices and avai...

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Gooseneck Implement service is good they just charge alot.

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I have a 2012 S670. Have in inspected every year. Have never put more than 10000 in it in a single year, usually around 3000.

Verified FBN Member (ND)

Yeah but what does the inspection say you should put in. I have a NH ran a rock in it. 8000 dollars worth of damage. ** says 30000 for th...

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Got to tell you a story. Had a local farmer who always did the JD combine service job every year. Two years ago he put over 70000 into his...

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We have a mechanic we trust from a dealer 50 miles away, bc our local dealership is to high price. Your relationship with your mechanic is i...

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*********** is 200% right

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We’ve run red since the 8010 series. We’ve never spent $10,000 per year, or 2 years, and in fact we were below that ar 3 years....

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My experience also

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*********** you also need figure how much does that down time cost you? Figure just one machine doing roughly 15-20 acres per hour I can abo...

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Verified FBN Member (CO)

You are correct about differing areas. After having green for decades, we went red because of parts and found the red machines to have more...

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Verified FBN Member (ND)

*********** I get your comment on the gentleman putting 70000 into his combine, but I was a combine technician and service manager for a loc...

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Verified FBN Member (ND)

What was your service rate. My local JD is 160 per hour. Highest around other JD are at 90. Our local JD is buying up all of Western ND. ...

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When I first started working there it was around 80 shop and 90-95 field. I've been gone for about 8 years and I think they are about the sa...

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What made you switch to case?

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Verified FBN Member (CO)

Better service and parts availability, more capacity,,simpler, cleaner sample in sunflowers....and I was raised on green.

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I will agree with cleaner samples and easier to work on.

As for better service and parts availability if case is better than green must be t...

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Cheaper up front cost going from a class 7 to a class 8. Trying to get more efficient without breaking the bank. Turns out I’d have been abo...

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Depends if they are apples to apples...extended wear. Repairs on 680 are significantly more than a 670. If you use them until they are worn ...

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Verified FBN Member (ND)

The s series were made cheaply. Everyone here shuck the sieves out of them. Major expensive in parts and down time. Do not buy one without...

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The sieve update was done by our local dealer at no cost to us on both our 680s. Glad it was

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Verified FBN Member (TN)

No service around here for them

Verified FBN Member (AR)

My dad is a deere man to the core, but he even says that IH makes a better combine. We run a JD 9760 simply because there is a local dealer...

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Verified FBN Member (NE)

Buy red you’ll always be glad you did

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Verified FBN Member (ND)

Run 3 680s and 2 8240s grain sample better in red but the reliability is terrible. Lease is up dec 9 be a happy day when there gone

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What are you referring to on the reliability? More break down or what?

Verified FBN Member (KS)

Exactly my experience, our 2017 7240 missed two weeks of harvest last season and another week this year!

This is even using their winter ins...

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Verified FBN Member (MB, CAN)

You should try NH bigger cleaner even more reliable

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We run a S690 and a 9230 and both have 1200-1500 sep hours. The red machine does a cleaner job but the green machine is built heavier. The r...

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All brands have similar strengths and weaknesses. I have found that finding a dealer that stands behind there product and offers great servi...

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I bought an 8240 threes years ago and have been very happy it. I’ve been custom combining for 25 years and have always had Deere’s. I can...

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Appreciate the input...that’s very informative

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Just a quick idea since you say the case unloading seem a so slow. Have you checked inside your grain tank above the cross augers? Those two...

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Verified FBN Member (ND)

Buy a Gleaner!

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I bought a 1100 hr Gleaner for this last harvest after running green for 45 years.

Very happy with it.

I kicked the habit and joined the ...

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Seriously, it is a much lighter machine. No concaves to swap between crops. Easy to set and saves grain. Very easy to work on. Very fuel eff...

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Junk in a 1000 hours. Gleaners are horrible

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Yes gleaner all you need is a grain bin and gleaner weld aka duct tape what a machine

Verified FBN Member (MO)

Have had both. Currently have two 8230’s. Both much more reliable than Deere. Haven’t opened a piece of Deere equipment that didn’t require ...

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Verified FBN Member (SD)

Red combines produce better grain samples. Easier to keep grain in bins

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Verified FBN Member (IA)

Combines are red, tractors are green, if your truck ain't a duramax you will never be scene.....

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.....alongside the road.

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I really don't have a dog in this fight as I have only been around Deere's. However I trucked binned corn away from several Red 8 thousand s...

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Put a square bar in for corn 100 times better than the round bar.

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who makes a square bar?

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Copper Head ag makes a great concave for CIH and Deere

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If you were color blind and looked over red and green, you would pick the red one just because of design

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If I were you I would look at lexion combines.

We ran red until we got a lexion in 2009.

We will never go back.

In fact we demo’d a casei...

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I would agree except when they break down. Closes dealer is 50 miles away and they like there 9-5 hours. Our dealer is a construction deal...

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Verified FBN Member (MT)

I would agree, if you have a dealership nearby go with a lexion, far superior to anything else. Faster, more fuel efficient, and less grain...

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Verified FBN Member (MN)

The grain samples are a lot better with the red machine over the green. If you start with a clean sample you don’t have to blow cracked grai...

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Verified FBN Member (SD)

I agree with *******, we've run green and red, then tried lexion. Now run 3 class machines , night and day difference!

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Have you seen the new Ideal combine? Supposedly designed by farmers. Looks good in the videos i have seen. Time will tell though.

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We have flown across the country twice to look at it.. Our custom cutter ran next to one in Canada and said they need time to get tech’s up ...

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Farm always had Deere. Demoed a Caseih vs Deere vs Lexion same field same day same conditions. Lexion burned the least fuel. Lexion did more...

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Try a Claas, you will drive circles around them both. I made the switch and happy with the performance and reliability.

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Verified FBN Member (NE)

Have run red combines my since my first 79 1460, in my opinion the red guys last good machine was the 2588. In north east NE you cant get se...

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Verified FBN Member (ND)

Don't worry that is how they lure you in. Dare you to buy more JD from a different dealer or better yet parts on line you will get the moth...

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Seems like i see more red ones than anything in the salvage yards

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That is because ** are not worth keeping. They go strate to scrap yard

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Claas Lexion has my vote, they are so durable compared to Case or Deere. Ours has almost 8 million bushels thru it and not wore thru anywher...

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I’ve heard good things about the Claas Lexion combines .

We’ve ran red forever but seems like the iron is nothing like it used to be.

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Hell if your going to upgrade I have heard great things about fendt might be worth a demo I think they are still doing sign ups for a demo

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FYI anyone looking at CaseIH, if you have the option of the mid size vs flagship, an engineer from the factory said they have the fewest mec...

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Mid size as in 7 or 8 series?

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the new midsize machines are the 5150, 6150, 7150, flagship are 7250, 8250, and 9250.

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I switched from a case 7240 to a JD780 and found that the deere is far more reliable in my experience so far. I had wear items on the 7240 ...

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Was either machine extended wear? That would make a difference.

Verified FBN Member (SK, CAN)

Go yellow. Either claas or new holland. Nothing else is close in tough conditions

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These are only the machines to run especially in tough conditions like 2019 harvest

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Just was husker harvest days. Wish you all the best with Claas all I seen was belts and moving parts spare me

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Lexions are beastly and very very robust. Problem here is dealer proximity/service and occasionally parts availability. I worked for Neb Har...

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Pulling parts to,keep machines running is a POSITIVE👍

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Everyone has their own stories of all there horror, I have run new Holland since the TR 70 came out yea that's old, have demoed all brands o...

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Family has been custom harvesting for nearly 50 years. Ran and demoed almost every brand. Good and bad about every single color. Had silver ...

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What’s the good bad and ugly with red Andy green?

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We run case. Have an 8120 and an 8240.

We've been red for since I was about 12, I've always checked out the neighbors' green machines, I thi...

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How come no one mentions the New Holland combines? We run 2 of them and they do a excellent job. Super clean sample and our maintance co...

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Verified FBN Member (ND)

Agree 100%. It would be nice if they had a reversable rotor.

Verified FBN Member (MT)

We demoed then rented at a s780. We own two 2012 8230s with 1850 hours we didn't rebuild the combines until 1500 hours. We cut wheat and c...

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Is there a difference on grain loss?

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The s 780 is like a 2388 with green ?

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I run a JD s690 alongside a case 8230 and the sample is always cleaner from the case. About a point lower on dockage. Also the 8230 has muc...

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Did a demo with Claas this year .Was impressed. On 50 Bushel canola crop going the same distance as our Deere had consistantly 3 bushels mor...

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We were JD since 1958, all the way through tje 96xx series. We then bought 4 1680’s and were happy with them. Due to a dealer change we we...

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Been green for 30 years. Said next time I trade, I'm going to look at red. Demoed an 8250. Liked it. But had no problem staying with green. ...

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Will Deere give you a competitive trade to come back?

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Guess I'll find out if I don't like this one.

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Maybe should try twin rotor by NH on top of list to compare then will forget single rotor

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My first year running and owning a NH always ran a red machine and I will say that twin rotor will eat beans alot better than any single ro...

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No dealer. Besides, the forum was red verse green. Next time, keep to the subject. 1 out of 100 farmers have yellow. Wouldn't have one on th...

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He was giving a simple suggestion. And stop being so demeaning. I’ll promise you a twin rotor NH is a highly underestimated machine just bec...

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Verified FBN Member (ND)

Always find it funny the haters are afraid to post there names. The yellow combines are really close to the red ones. Lots of parts are in...

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Verified FBN Member (MN)

Buy the one with the better service... maybe you live close to both case and JD dealerships...

We run alot of case equipment... closest dea...

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We switched from NH to JD 13 years ago for this very reason. NH dumped our local dealer and we didn't want to travel 3x further for parts a...

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Verified FBN Member (OH)

I'm late to this discussion, but the best ROI is easily buying a used combine. The JD market is flooded with used S670's and S680's and you...

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Verified FBN Member (MT)

Go with what ever dealer is closest. If both dealers are close by go with Deere there parts availability out does case by 100times

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Do a little research and don't blindly follow the majority. I have to laugh at all the green and red sheepels, they think Gleaners are Stone...

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Well Said, good point, all machines I don't care what color have there issues, so much comes down to how it is maintained and set in the fie...

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I've ran red since I was a kid starting with 1680s. The 8010s were a huge jump up but a lot of bugs with them especially lots of hydraulic ...

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Which concaves do you use in your 8250? I seem to have plugging issues with the large skip wire we run in corn and soybeans here in the sout...

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Sorry didn't see this. Depending on the year we will run either large skip wires, or a combination of 2 roundbars in the front and 2 large ...

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Verified FBN Member (NE)

i demoed a new S780 last fall in corn and beans. I've been running a 8240 and was thinking of switching until i ran the deere. There was n...

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Do you level your concaves on your red machine?

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We run about 450 separator hours a fall on are machines. We switch to green because of service. In southeast Nebraska we found the best s...

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Verified FBN Member (MN)

We used to run green combines. Switched to red about 20 years ago. A lot has to do with what you grow. If you grow more small grain and bean...

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try a new Holland I used to run a cr960 a while back yeah its old but damn that thing was one hell of a machine for a class 6 combine and I ...

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Farmers union in Kenmare ND is having a going out of business sale on ******* brothers. They have some nice nh on the sale ******** ran NH ...

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Verified FBN Member (OH)

love our 9230 for everything other than wheat!

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Why not in wheat?

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rotor loss is my guess. just can't go very fast throws to much for my liking over the back.and i have tried everything. other than changing ...

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I bought a set of kondex concaves and it solved my wheat loss issues. I also didn’t like how it choked the oem skip wire concaves in corn. K...

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Verified FBN Member (MN)

Almost all rotor loss can be fixed by adjusting a few things: vane position rotor speed and concave clearance these combines are designed to...

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Verified FBN Member (OH)

This isn’t my 1st time.. I have done all the above and then some.. no luck

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Verified FBN Member (MN)

I used to work at a dealer ship we helped people out with this all the time If I was closer I'd come out and look at it for you I'd say let ...

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Verified FBN Member (OH)

Tried that too ..nobody gets back to you.. we been running case combined for 40 years I’ve been alive

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The more I hear that the more I keep thinking I should start up my own little traveling business if it wasn't for a 5 year non compete agre...

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I run a 2017 S680 & 2011 9870, demo’d a new 9240 this fall, it does have a bit more capacity but more $ for it, it is way louder, has a shit...

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I've ran red for 45 years, except for 10 years we ran Lexion until they moved dealership. Was always cussing the sieve loss. No matter how ...

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They’re not “larger” in capacity but more hp. It’s nuts that class of combines is based upon hp and grain tank.....a 600 hp motor on a grai...

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We started using case combines with a 1440. We now have two 7130 and 7230 both machines have around 1300 separator hours and required $30000...

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We run two pre-def S660 John Deere Combines on our farm. Both have over 1300 hours on them. Typically me and dad run the machines and in goo...

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The main issues we had with our machines in the 2019 harvest was DEF. I did a DEF delete on both machines and didn’t have many issues this 2...

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Go with RED to many reasons list why the people who say green is because they haven't and wont try red.

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Verified FBN Member (TN)

Probably lots of truth to that

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Have ran red, yellow and green. The all have their pros and cons but it your the one sitting in the machine all day long every day, the Deer...

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I would have to disagree. I've ran Yellow and Green. Yellow way easier to work on.

Had a green machine owner tell me one time his insura...

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Verified FBN Member (SK, CAN)

Each to their own, we also get way better service and sales through deere than the competitors

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That I would agree on. But expensive. That would be the number one reason I have yellow. The yellow ones are way easier to work on. Mos...

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Verified FBN Member (MN)

I know dealer support and brand loyalty are pretty high on peoples list for choosing a combine. But, something else to consider. We raise...

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Verified FBN Member (AB, CAN)

We switched to claas and would never look back

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I run the big class 9 case on my farm and trade every year. I used to run both and spent about the same for repairs. The case was easier to ...

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Weve ran every makr of combine over the years. Ive seen it all from an old gleaner that ran night and day for the neighbors While we ran re...

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